His (and Spurgeons) description of Esau is also one of the human heart getting to such a hardened state that you can desire repentance but not have the volitional ability to carry it out. Because He’s good, it’s not His will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance, and that He will freely forgive the wicked if they will turn from their ways and thoughts (Isa. Obviously not THE shepard that is Christ. Unfortunately that year there was a rather fierce battle over teachers’ salaries, and I found myself right in the middle of it. Never. Also, just thinking about things I think I can vaguely remember a few times where there was some sin I was tempted to commit, probably gossip or just saying negative things about someone, and I think I remember telling myself (or God) that it was ok I would just to to Hell for it, like I traded my salvation for the moment of being able to commit that sin. The devil wants us to lose our rewards but can NEVER take our salvation. IT CHANGES ME INSTANTLY. If he expects that of us, how much more will he pour out his love and forgiveness There was a church retreat I went to where one of the faithful brothers in Christ prayed over me and prayed in Christ’s name to cast the demon out. I can find messages of condemnation anywhere I open the Bible. You have reached the end of your years. What is the “it” of Heb. I don’t have a solid Biblical foundation, I don’t know where to start. I want so much to sense God’s presence once again! Susan, For again I say, when righteous people turn away from their righteous behavior and turn to evil, they will die. Esau, or Edom, can be identified with "Babylon," which represents this world age-system, by the fact that both are described as "red." They HATE the idea of repentance. Please let them have the peace that passes all understanding that they are saved by merely believing and that it is religious piety that is keeping them “feeling” the way they do…or perhaps, depression/mental illness (which is not a sin..the brain can become ill just like any other part of the body).. BELIEVE HIM. I feel like my prayers bounce off the ceiling and the more I try the worse my thoughts get. He who knew no sin became sin for me … that I might be made the righteous of God It is the worst. The thief on the cross is a great example, I wanted to repent but I couldn’t, it was as if God ceased to exist in my life. Is that not the Holy command Jesus gave his apostles before he went away? We can take the words of Habakkuk and run because we know that it all works out right in the end (Romans 8:28). But I can see his hand at work in my heart and that in itself after 3 years of despair has me excited. He wept for Jerusalem and the Israelites because they turned their backs on him over and over again. I can’t say that I believe God will have mercy on me, but I do still hope for it. Now I know you truly love me You will never understand how horrible this is, but it fully reminds me (constantly) how great the salvation that I took for granted was. This blog site is not staffed or intended to be what you’re asking for. While the translation I used (NAS) leaves the question open for interpretation, the word order in English leaves the other possibilities obscure. As I prayed, I began to hear a voice that said, “do you think I will pay the price again for you, no you will have to pay for what you have done.” Also, “I heard the same voice say, “I will judge you.” When all this was happening I felt as if my soul was imploding on itself, and that the destruction of my soul was happening already. I then fell away gradually into sin but later returned to church, but now i feel that i was only attending church because it was what my family did and what i had grown up doing. “Without the Holy Ghost, we are none of His” . During the Great Tribulation as henchman for the Antichrist he may well try to do just that. Happy New Year to everyone who looks at this thread! And if we really don’t have faith maybe we can never know and so this cycle of worrying about it and trying to get it back is the hell of regret etc…. Oh, how I wish I would have listened to the wisdom of the Bible when I still had time, but I feel like I hardened my neck after too many reproofs and now I am beyond remedy. He Will. His answer came so fast, it was amazing. I regularly wrestle with finding the strength to take that risk. Are you desiring God’s grace, true holiness in life, etc., but feeling no link with God? My depression worsens as I watch others around me prospering in different ways, while I deteriorate. But knowing deep down that that conviction can only come from God, not me and that He gave me numerous chances and i rejected them. After which they both dwelt together in the land until they had so much cattle that there was not enough vegetation for them all … so they separated. Honestly it seems the author of Hebrews doesn’t understand repentance. God has blessed me with everything, and I never have had to endure hardships. Here are the two sermons that helped me. Your eyes would be scaled. Several more years past got involved in my business very busy got married at four children I was in a church service in 2004 and I remember praying to God just convict me one more time just make me know I am one of your children I will repent I will turn away I will serve you I will make you Lord of my life. Notice how the story goes: Gen 27:35-38 Apparently I suffer from scrupulosity a religious branch of OCD. Like you, I struggle with the idea of God’s rejection and mocking. I am beginning to feel that I can relate to you both. Did you find yourself at times bitter in your heart towards God, even though you were struggling against it because you knew in your head that you were responsible and that He is good and righteous and no one can bring a just charge against Him? Nor how dark was the night the Lord passed through What did God say to this? Jesus is our Only Hope. The choosing between Jacob and Esau did not have to do with their personal salvation but which lineage would bring the Messiah into the world. Hi Jeff, I think you are incorrect on the statement you made about the statement having nothing to do with eternal life. Now I read it again having a little better understanding of the gospel. Contrast Esau’s lack of repentance with David who found repentance after committing sin that on the surface looks worse than Esau. I believe Satan was keeping me bound in fear. Are they not enough for Thee?” Although I would love to be able to believe, as others do about me, that I’m saved but just struggling, I feel like I’m continuing to slide downhill. Now , God is not a respector of Persons. This brings me to another topic…I see many who posted here fear that they are ” gonna be in hell”. I know it is the epitome of foolishness to be angry at God– my heart is so wicked. Still, even in this despair, I continue to cry out to God during the sleepless hours of the night (and during the day as well), hoping that His grace and lovingkindness and mercy will triumph over my sinfulness and hard-heartedness. But, at face value in the reading of most translations, it does seem like it is repentance that Esau is seeking. pharisees searched scripture looking for eternal life, but Jesus told them He is life. Its just the devil, getting in your head. As the Lord has been enabling me to keep my mind pure, my mind is clearing up, like the demoniac in the Gospels who ended up in his right mind, sitting at Jesus’ feet. 29:7. But i must be lying because why would God have hardened my heart, unless He knew that I would never truly seek Him? Having a tough time today—satan is relentless at accusing, but still forcing myself to look toward Jesus. ie: Love thy father and mother vs. if you don’t hate your mother and father, you cannot be my disciple. Morals. HE is the word and the way (for everyone) and the light (to pull you out of this darkness) You need to trust in HIM and HIM alone! Only God can perform the miracle of saving a sinner. My eyes are fixed on Him, regardless of what my feelings are like. Is Esau the ancestor of modern Turkey? Such a person has tasted the Goodness of the word of God. He took away my birthright, and behold, now he has taken away my blessing.” And he said, “Have you not reserved a blessing for me?” 37 But Isaac replied to Esau, “Behold, I have made him your master, and all his relatives I have given to him as servants; and with grain and new wine I have sustained him. Last night I struggled with some very dark thoughts about God that I know from Scriptures is not true (He is good, love, holy, etc.). Kelli … I know exactly how you feel. We have to rebuild our relationship with him. I was drawn to Hebrews 10:26 and it seemed that immediately I was convicted. I have greviously sinned, and want to change from the inside out, but what more can God do for me? He warned the readers not to yield to transitory pressures and forfeit their inheritances. The author of Hebrews was not questioning their salvation. PLEASE, if you are reading this and can still do those things, do so as if tonight was you last night one earth. He is the cause of their grief and loving how he has made them think and feel. But I’ve grievously sinned over and over, despite knowing it was wrong. Let me explain. That sounds like a typical example of Hebrew Parallelism which says the same thing. Not the other way around. It is not trusting God. This post is what we need more of – clear exposition of difficult passages. Also, kaiper seems to pick up directly from the preceding clause, as would expected of a conjunction. I feel like I’m in several vicious cycles. Confess lack of trust … Psalms 51:10, Psalm 86:11. Do you believe that YOU have a conscience,morals and love? Together. I think that describes Esau. It was just too late. Here we are now 2014! Later in Genesis, we have every reason to believe that Esau continued to believe in and worship God. I too fell into sexual sin..feel hard feel like esau..I can’t hardly function..want an appetite for the Lord but seems there is none..all I think about is hell..trying to find someone who went through this but was able to come out of it .William u gave me hope..if u or anyone else feels led to call me,please do.hopefully someone whose went through the same thing,but came out..660 620 3759..Been stuck like this for about 6 months.. Praise the Holy Spirit! the verses in hebrews about esau and heb. I have also allowed the depression over all this to cause me to become very lazy. However in doing so, losing the true vine, I eventually fell into pornography and sinful ways of before, and felt completely unable to repent. God Bless You on your journey as you seek His truth!! It’s the same with Isaiah 45:7-12. The threats, essentially, but not the promises. (Genesis 27:41 KJV). Never give up seeking His face. No man can come to the father unless the father draw him right? that he accepts you … and me … and the many many many other people who turned their backs on him. Esau) is that it diminishes our assurance of salvation. It would teach that there may be people who truly want to turn from their sin, but cannot find the ability to repent. For so long I was afraid I was an Esau, but through the Psalms my eyes got back on the Lord. Ask this question among Hebrew Israelites, almost all will say no: Esau is doomed, can find no forgiveness. I have no zeal for life, but am not eager for death. I am asking the Lord right now to bring you both to the place of peace, joy, and victory in Him that you are longing for. Read it. I am terrified that maybe I have a demon in me. I am holding on to the fact that it must be Satan who is attacking me when I wake up every morning in terror. “For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God” … Jacob actually did quite a lot of sinning with his deceit. You see the pronoun “it” has not one but two possible anticedents. Only God’s Spirit can work these things into my heart. Esau found no place for his repentance. Show God’s mercy and Grace. Of course, now we have the standing new covenant sealed by Christ and His blood. Hey William, I too struggled with these thoughts, and believe me, i know the truth and i strayed from the Lord, completely, I prayed and did not give up, I had faith and believed what Jesus says in the bible, “whoever comes to me, in no wise I will cast out” He does not say if you havent strayed or if you did not know before, He makes it very clear that it is unconditional, His love for you is bigger than you could imagine if you spent a whole lifetime x 50 trying to imagine every single second, I have been praying for you, and know that God will restore your faith and your life to better circumstances, i too have doubts it is very hard for me, but maybe you are going through this for a reason, have faith that God will deliver you, do no try and do it on your own, that is when i experience the most anxiety and fear thinking that i have to be perfect now, all you have to do is turn from your sins, and ask Jesus Christ our Savior, to keep you from them, ask Him to inhabit your heart and clean all unrighteousness, get baptized, go to church ans ask Him to pour out His Spirit onto you, It does not matter what your passport says, quit doubting and have faith, enjoy life as a servant of Christ and truly give yourself to Him, and ask Him to restore your faith and your life, continuing in prayer, Jesus tells Peter in Matthew 18:22 when asked how many times should we forgive our brothers “not up to seven times but seven times seventy times” Imagine how much more is God willing to forgive us, “if we confess our sins and repent from them,” He is faithful and righteous to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” 1 John 1:9. How can God do this though? Bless me, even me also, O my father.” So Esau lifted his voice and wept. Anybody feel free to reach out to me I can help you. I believe this is what the Lord wants you to see at this time. Satan cannot stand before God’s Holy Word. People accuse others falsely and send them to their death. You said it best, “How do I get it into my heart not into my head”. ©2010-2017 SmartTheme. Had a moral lapse today, but confessed it and am trusting in God’s cleansing, Finally starting to pick up the pieces from my fall by God’s grace, He is a God of second chances, e.g., Samson, David, The Lord is softening my heart and comforting my soul, I will heal their apostasy God would NEVER say that to you. Instantly, I felt restored as if none of that ever happened and I perceived a very strong feeling of Jesus saying He still cares about me and is with me. I understand waking each morning in abject fear … it was an horrendous year. “Therefore, I will judge each of you, O people of Israel, according to your actions, says the Sovereign Lord. I thought it then because of the drastic change but I know it now because the same people are still serving God some full time but all of them with diligence. He can not lie !!! RSV: For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears. esau which means " red all over" descendants were cursed. Conscience. This is very closely associated with Esau seeking his blessing. To listen to one more sermon. It is heresy. As a grim reminder of what can happen among believers, the writer warned that one who misses the grace of God may become like a bitter root whose infidelity to God affects others. Tim, your right only a miracle can repair your relationship with God,however, a miracle has to happen to repair anyones relationship with God or even begin one period. I don’t believe this is the case. Some of Esau will be saved (remnant), but most of Esau will be destroyed in the end times. I…. I pray you may understand the Gospel of God’s grace more clearly, and He will sovereignly open your eyes to see why this gospel is truly good news – God freely gives, it is not your working or feeling. Think about why. But all the while, had you told me I had a hard heart, I probably would have said I didn’t, as I still attended church, and every now and then I would pray another salvation prayer concerning my condition. Every verse we find where God hated Esau and why Esau became a reprobate was based on his decision. I’m so lost..help me..please. struggle with all of your heart against sin. Find a church that teaches this full gospel message and you will find that God has answered your cries. When the Israelites were conquering the promised land, God told them NOT to hurt the Edomites, Esau’s descendants, because they were their brothers. I feel like I have nothing in common with them and that everything that comes out of my mouth is a lie. Acts 13:48. The word “it” is a feminine pronoun. (Proverbs 1 -because you would not listen, nor have any or my reproof, I will laugh at your calamity and will mock you when terror strikes you.). I feel like in foolishness and not really counting the cost I’ve squandered my only hope for salvation on small meaningless things in life. He was confident they were saved and once saved, always saved, but one’s inheritance in God’s kingdom may change considerably with the loss of rewards, etc.